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Joe in NH
Diamond
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2007
- Location
- Stratham, Cow Hampshire
- Jun 27, 2010
- #1
Note that this is a Barnes Lathe in the "early" pattern. This one notable in that it seems that everything is there and in reasonably good shape.
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ANTIQUE BARNES No. 5 VELOCIPEDE METAL TREADLE LATHE
I think we can tell where the reserve level is set at on Ebay.
Joe
timekiller
Stainless
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2003
- Location
- Huntsville, AL U.S.A.
- Jun 27, 2010
- #2
Not the earliest
Joe,
That eBay lathe is early but not the earliest design. This lathe was build approximately 1880-1885 (Twin lead screws and Flat belt drives were introduced in 1885) and has cut gears from the pedal crank to the flywheel, which accepts a round belt. (a V-belt fits fair, but hadn't been invented at that time) which drives the head stock. It also does NOT have the patented twin lead screws (US Pat. 357567 - Filed Jul 3, 1886 issued Feb 15, 1887).
Ray
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justin.mercier
Cast Iron
- Joined
- Apr 29, 2010
- Location
- Woonsocket RI
- Jun 27, 2010
- #3
It's a gorgeous little lathe, you dont see many of the real early barnes lathes around. Timekiller, you dont happen to have photos / info on 'the earliest' design do you? This is the first complete barnes i've seen with the single lead screw and V belt design, though iv'e seen 'pieces' of 'em before.
All that said, 1000 is well out of my league =P
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peter
Titanium
- Joined
- Mar 20, 2001
- Location
- New England
- Jun 28, 2010
- #4
The handle is missing on the apron, no manual feed.
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Ed Hobbs
Cast Iron
- Joined
- Jan 25, 2006
- Location
- Raleigh, NC
- Jun 28, 2010
- #5
Yes, that is a nice lathe but note the cracked flywheel. Since this one is one of the earlier (Ray is correct, not the earliest) "angular belting" (please note that I did not say round belt but more on this later), finding or reproducing a flywheel for this one would be very difficult. As the seller said, it could be brazed or welded but?
If you want to see a catalog cut of the very early style lathe with the bench seat, got to Foot Powered Machinery and get to the Barnes #4 metal/wood lathe under Manufacturers. I have posted catalog cuts of the four types of the Barnes #4 and since the #5 was introduced about the same time, of the top of my head I think they would parallel.
I will be posted pictures of my #4 that uses this gear power mechanism. She is a real little cutie.
Stef posted some pictures of the very first style of Barnes lathes, the #1 & #2 that used the "paddle" style of treadle design. Once Barnes patented the velocipede drive, they were off to the races with that style. They did, however, offer all their metal lathes in a true treadle design.
Hope to fill out the rest of the details on the Barnes #4 soon and will post more about "angular belting" in the near future.
Just love foot powered machinery and would love to find one of the early styles of these lathes.
Thanks Ed
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peter
Titanium
- Joined
- Mar 20, 2001
- Location
- New England
- Jun 28, 2010
- #6
For collecting purpose, the flywheel crack although ugly, seems like it does not matter too much and could easy too live with. It could be "hidden" pretty easy. I agree it detracts for the value, as now some skill is needed or some tolerance of less than perfect. All added up I dont see 1k, but I am no expert. I though the 1k petal machines were supposed to be complete and unbroken. Well, this is a dealer and second the buyer is free to negotiate.
I dont know a single sadistic person who actually uses one of these by foot although some will setup a motor. In which case appearance is already compromised.
The best repair and I say this with some confidence is stitching. (I hope not over confidence) Sticking is a very effective and safe repair. We had a local guy doing that for pretty fair money. It was so-many dollar per inch for light stuff like that, a little touchup paint and you never know. It can be welded, if the entire piece is pre-heated (big time heat, slow cool)and iron filler, nickel or brazed. As stated, weld/braze is tricky business on that shape.
An opportunity to mention stitching, which is ideal for a cast shape like this. Not everybody uses that expensive Lok_n_stick method. The old timers made their own fasteners and it worked very well.
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Joe in NH
Diamond
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2007
- Location
- Stratham, Cow Hampshire
- Jun 28, 2010
- #7
There was another Barnes lathe on Craigslist a little bit ago. It's still there. See Metal Lathe. I don't have a pix handy, but the owner is selling it. It's a two leadscrew No. 6 in the early pattern ("edged" castings) but with the legs for a plank seat. Has the multiple "loops" on the legs to take the pedal shaft at different belt tensions. (Somewhat who knows these things will know what I'm talking about.)
No pedals, no flywheel, no seat, four step pulley, no do-dads to speak of. But for $100, what do you want? Owner wants the legs to put under a Reed 1885 era lathe he plans on keeping (that's a nice little lathe too!) but is willing to dicker. I passed on it since I have my hands well full with the smaller No. 4-1/2 I'm currently working towards. Owner is about mid-state near Conway, NH.
Edit/correction. I just looked at the pix of the Reed lathe with the Barnes legs under it: the legs have loops for adjusting the pedal tension, but also hangers for the seat rod on the backside - it's a bucket seat Barnes.
Joe
timekiller
Stainless
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2003
- Location
- Huntsville, AL U.S.A.
- Jun 28, 2010
- #8
Earliest Design #5
The earliest design of the #5, also #4 and #6 didn't have the cast iron seat. They had a wooden bench.
Here is a link to a page from Ken Cope's Book about the #4 Barnes that shows most of the major design changes which related to the #5 as well.
Note the flat belt, and chain & sprocket drive were introduced about 1885 per a copyright 1885 catalog I have. Ken Cope did some great research and a lot of work writing his books, however the internet along with eBay have brought out a lot of information, he didn't find. His books are still a great source of information.
The current eBay #5 the carriage doesn't have any gears. One is laying on the bed, and the one that attaches to the carriage crank is missing from the pictures.
Also, a few change gears short to cut "500 different leads of threads!" From memory, I recall there were thirteen gears needed to cut leads listed on the gear chart. I see seven Barnes change gears in the pictures and some extras for ???
I left the eBay picture down loading last night to get full view of today. That is a picture 22+MB. Challenging on dial up.
Ray
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Joe in NH
Diamond
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2007
- Location
- Stratham, Cow Hampshire
- Jun 28, 2010
- #9
I dont know a single sadistic person who actually uses one of these by foot
Ahem! Mine is set up for footsie and thats all it will ever be in my shop.
Of course I'm still contemplating kerosene lighting although those LED or compact fluorescents are still mighty handy. One of the few modern amenities I'll allow in my man cave, not only for the economy, but also the safety factor.
You gotta understand. I've worked for the Power Company for 30 years. They (the company) are not my or anyone else's friend. And they and I haven't done it together on account of any mutual respect. And if I appear "retro" in my personal life (to the chagrin of my wife) its because of my personal choice.
It nearly broke my heart to buy my wife a wide screen plasma TV. But I knew she would like it, and I can forgo the 500 watts if it makes her comfortable while sleeping in front of it. (sheesh!)
One of the "failings" in our system (IMHO) is a reliance upon central grid: what if the grid goes down? You can chase your 21st century lifestyle goodbye. Well, here I am expounding to Peter on this power thing, which is a subject which he knows intimately, having survived December 2008 when we all were without power for two weeks or more.
Another one of my side projects is a pedal powered jointer. While I can use hand planes to virtually the same effect, maintaining any degree of right angle precision with hand planes is at best a challenge. With a jointer, skill is not required. At Orange this last weekend, I looked in vain for about a 24" cast iron flywheel of heavy rim section to use on this project. Not found yet.
The bandsaw will be later.
Joe
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